Posted by: Jane | February 21, 2008

why people go off their meds

Why some people go off meds. A personal experience of ‘noncompliance’. With all the articles and comments about taking responsibility for oneself and one’s meds as a mental health patient I thought I would share some experiences concerning the issue.

As I followed links over a Furious Seasons I find this article.

Getting ‘Off Meds’ Has Consequences

Here I cut and paste some testimonials from the article.

Coughlin said the last time he stopped, in the 1990s, he became extremely obnoxious and agitated, and ended up in a mental hospital.
Now he’s on three mood stabilizers that zap his energy and cause weight gain, but make him feel “more solid, more relaxed, more satisfied in life.

Coughlin, a board member of the Illinois chapter of the National Alliance on Mental Illness, said he finally accepts that to function, he’ll need to be on drugs for life.

Elizabeth said she can live with the side effects — extreme sweating and a hand tremor — and credits psychotherapy, a support group and exercise with helping her cope.
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Well, there are some people, such as myself, for whom experiencing these same side effects, tremor, weight gain, zapped energy, are too high a price to pay. To us it is a debilitating unnecessary stigmata. It is penance for being mentally ill. It is completely intolerable and unacceptable.

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When I went on meds I was 14 years old. I had no choice at all. I was inpatient, suicidal and psychotic. Every day I did not take meds willingly, I would be restrained and injected with them. It was unbelievable to me that these people could threaten to assault and violate me after all the violation and abuse I had suffered that had led to the present inpatient situation. This completely shattered all trust and faith I had that I could be helped in this place.

I was put on perphenazine and lithium carbonate. In horror I watched my own body betray me. Previously I had been extremely energetic, highly coordinated and very slim. I lost command over my voice as it became slurred and strenuous, I was drooling from the mouth. I lost my grace acquiring the tremoring hand of Parkinson’s as well as the shuffling gait the trademark ‘thorazine shuffle‘.

Then came the lithium and the perpetual dry mouth. Then I started gaining and gaining weight in a constant upward curve. I could taste the psyche meds in my mouth, smell them in my sweat. Previously I had been graced with an exceptionally high reading speed and retention. Now I found I could not read or concentrate on anything for long. Constant memory gapping throughout the day stitched through with a perpetual mental fog The emotional blunting left me without real passion for much of anything while deep inside the real me was screaming nonstop.

They told me I had to take these drugs for the rest of my life and I knew despair. I had come here for help for my depression and was now more depressed and more suicidal than ever before and totally unable to communicate this to anyone. No one was asking or listening. My thoughts and feelings were totally irrelevant. I was told I could not be therapied until I had adjusted to the meds ‘for some time’ since basically they were talking to the disease. No one could explain how this was therapy or how this would restore me to the living. Just the usual “You have a chemical imbalance that needs to be addressed by your lack of lithium”. Explain to me how lithium is going to cure me of my hatred of you? Someone? Anyone?

After spending three months inpatient I was transferred to a juvenile psychiatric group home to learn to live with and accept my diagnoses and the medications. For months I lived in this awful place. Various side effect came and visited me the longer I was on these drugs. I started sleepwalking, experienced UTIs and continued to get heavier and heavier while existing in mental, emotional and physical vegetative state.

After some time there at the on site school, it was arranged for me to take half a day classes at the local high school. The last straw was when one of the kids called me fat. That was it. Before the psych meds I had always been relatively thin primarily as a result of hyper vigilance and PTSD I was so nervous and tense all the time I consumed energy just sitting still. Well, not any longer. I was 15 years old and now had stretch marks where previously I was toned. I no longer had any sexual response. I was a teen. Teens are supposed to have sexual response. I became to so enraged and suicidal at the same time that it was enough to punch through the chemical straitjacket on my feelings. In Bipolar lingo, a mixed episode.

In fit of helpless rage and depression I tried to commit suicide several times in my room that night;. Everything had to be done perfectly with the timed bed checks. As I was experimenting with setting up a hanging it occurred to me that I was about to check out because of this place, the meds, the environment, the hopelessness and helplessness of it all. I said no way. If I am going to check out it will be on my terms so I aborted. The next day, instead of going to school, I fled the facility.

I was eventually recaptured and returned. Upon arrival they put me in isolation. For days I went on a hunger strike and tried to will myself to die. During this time I was detoxing off high doses of lithium and the antipsychotic. My environment was either the Quiet Room or my own room. On the floor or on my state issue bed I lay absolutely still with my eyes closed concentrating on slowing down my breathing and heart rate. That is all I did hour after hour.

On the third day the nurse came and assessed me. I was losing weight. She asked me what I was trying to do. I looked her in the eye with a smile and said “I am leaving”. She went on to tell me that if I continued this, they would re-hospitalize me. This time at the State hospital for forced nourishment. Other ‘treatment options’ would be reviewed since nothing was working. I knew I did not want that indignity brought upon me. So I surfaced from the depths of where I had withdrawn and carried on as though nothing happened.

During my detox I suffered absolutely no negative side effects whatsoever. None. In fact as the hours slipped by I felt only better and better. My mind came back on line. I felt clean and pure and alive again. I could no longer smell the lithium through my skin or taste the anti psychotic in my mouth. I was me again.
Energy surged back. It was like being released from psychic prison as my thoughts soared and gained the familiar speed back. I was free of that slow inescapable death of personality.

When I looked in the mirror I no longer recognized myself. The old me had been slipping away, day by day as the powerful chemicals eroded my personality and poisoned my soul. I could not stand to spend one more second of one more minute of one more hour on those drugs. I had had enough. No more. I wanted my body back. I wanted my intelligence back. I wanted my feelings back. I would rather suffer or die than be on psychiatric medications ever again.

As a result of my experiences I was unwilling to try medication roulette by experimenting with other psych meds. I had been poisoned. As the side effects of the meds slipped away, all my internal turmoil was revealed. There had been no therapeutic value to my time on meds at all. The mania and depression was still there. The Voices were back. The flashbacks were back. All my problems remained. They had never left me. I had left them.

When my body chemistry was normal again, I was faced with my internal world again as well as a heightened awareness of my circumstances living in close quarters with other mentally ill residents. I had lost six months of my life to those drugs. Six months that I could never get back, completely wasted. I now had to recover from being on psych meds. Starting with losing the 80 plus pounds I gained.

As the lights came on and the fog cleared I was able to pay attention and think clearly. My attention was drawn to the Patient’s Bill of Rights which stated that patients over the age of 15 had the legal right of consent, to refuse consent, to medical treatment. As long as the patient is not a demonstrable threat to self or others than can not be forcibly medicated and may refuse medications or other treatment.

In order to prove I was no longer symptomatic I borrowed a spare copy of the DSM from my Pdoc and studied the symptoms of bipolar. I committed the symptoms to memory and began a program of mind over body self discipline. There was no shortage of downtime in these places and my release depending upon a perfect illusion of normalcy.

Every day, all day long I self monitored my expression, my posture, my voice and words. I was forced to learn to maintain total composure and submissiveness under the stress of living in this place. Buoyed by the possibilities I gained a spark of hope which helped keep from being genuinely depressed. I studiously learned to control my pressurized speech and constant fidgeting from the energy racing in my head. I basically used self applied cognitive behavioral therapy. In short, I learned to conceal both the depression and the manic symptoms flawlessly. A performance under constant observation.

There were several consequences of my decision to go off meds. For one, my grandparents, upon hearing I went off meds refused to let me step foot in the house again thus terminating my occasional weekend breaks from the facility.

Second, my social worker called and said, “You went off your meds? That’s noncompliance! You think you are ever going to get out of there if you can’t show compliance with your treatment? You are in a lot of trouble you had better get back on your meds right away.”

I then leaned on my guardian ad litem. I explained that I wished to apply for a writ of habeas corpus. I had not been depressed or manic, neither suicidal or psychotic in two months. All my reports were perfect. I was a model resident apparently free of my illness and no longer on meds which I said had not helped me at all. I wanted out. I was stuck here, not being treated for anything.

My guardian ad litem squared off with my social worker in court over this since my SW refused to consider taking me out of that facility. I was allowed to speak to a judge and I pled my side of the story. I admitted that yes, I had had problems, but what teenager does not have emotional problems? It’s part of puberty and growing up. Yes I may have had a rough childhood, rougher than some, but less rough than others but that was no reason to force me to serve out the rest of my teen years confined in treatment on drugs that don’t help.

He listened to me. He pointed to my social worker and told her to make it happen and find a less restrictive placement for me at once.

I did not have to go back on meds and I had learned how to mask my symptoms from the outside world. I still hated myself, The manic and schizo affective tendencies where still there. I still wanted to die. I now knew how to project an artificial personality that could pass as *normal* when I was far from it deep inside. I learned how to control the outward, visible symptoms, without using drugs at all. I had no choice whatsoever but to impose my will on my behavior.

In this video I talk about the specifics of learning to control bipolar mania.

I chose to go off meds because I could not stand to be on them one second longer. It was a complete internal revulsion and rejection of what the meds had done to me. You could not convince me to taper off them if you tried. I wanted to be free of the *therapeutic* effects of those drugs post haste. Not one month, or two or three or six months down the line, I wanted my body back immediately. I wanted my thoughts back *now*. Every cell of my body, every nerve, every beat of my heart, every breath I took demanded it.

Later I was told that all sorts of horrible things could have happened to me coming off those drugs, at those doses, that completely. No one took it upon themselves to inform me of withdrawal. What do you mean, withdrawal, this kid is not withdrawing off anything, this kid is to be medicated for life. That was the treatment plan. Even had I known, it would have not daunted me or slowed me down in the slightest. I was a teen and I did not want to be on drugs anymore.

You have to understand. Every day I was on meds, I felt violated, damaged, hollow and filthy. I was not myself. I was disgusted with the perpetual side effects. By going off meds swiftly, those side effects went away quickly. Nothing less than immediate freedom from psych med influence was acceptable. There is a point where you draw a mental line in the sand and say no more, not one second will I tolerate this. That is how and why I went off psyche meds, against recommendations, in violation of my treatment plan, without the knowledge or supervision of my supervising psychiatrist.

People seem to be surprised when they hear how people like the NUI shooter was ” anything but a monster. He was probably the nicest, most caring person ever.” Pressure and stress can cause a person to partition their mind and project different personality’s.

I know at least, that thanks to my psychiatry nightmare experience I learned to conceal any evidence of my constant internal suffering from even mental heath workers at close contact with me. I learned how to hide it better and more effectively than before for fear of ever being *treated* for my problems again.

Over on my youtube channel I made videos complaining about these side effects and lo and behold I get people who says thing like this.

From someone calling himself

risperidone786

“I am sorry for you, you must go to your psychiatrist and I am sure he will find an alternative medication .I know side effects are troublesome, but medication is the mainstay of psychosis/bipolar .I know no shrink wants to give us side effects, but for me , I know suicide risk is high in psychosis and bipolar, at least these drugs make me live! Side effects ? I would rather live and bear some sleepwalking ,than attempt suicide or put myself in situations in which i might hurt myself.”

I said “It is no one’s responsibility to keep you alive. You must find a reason to live.”

I can’t say I understand at all why, when anyone experiences bad reactions, they go back for more! Once you have these things in your system and realized that you are still the same inside, how can you say, ‘doc let’s try a different drug’?

I am constitutionally incapable of understanding why people keep playing with different meds. Nor do I understand the attraction of trading out side effect profiles to subject yourself to other, different side effect profiles. I don’t understand how either a patient or a doctor can say. “Well let’s put you/ try me on something else, and see how that goes.”

People ask me why I did not try other meds other than lithium or perphenazine. I ask back, “how can you even ask me that after I just told you what I suffered while on them?”

The nightmares in your head can not be cured by any pill. You can’t get self love and self esteem from a bottle. It comes only from inside.

I am biased by my experiences and I know it. It is hard to refrain from being judgmental of adults who willingly play with medication after medication. I knew as a teenager these were ineffective at healing my problems as well as being toxic to my normal function. I was unable to bullshit myself into thinking this was for the better, for my own good, or preferable to living in my normal undrugged state.

Perhaps someone will come along and explain it to me.

Responses

I heard your story and it is a sad one, I also understand your reson for refusing your medical treatment. To be honest the individual who told you to go back on the meds, lacked any real common sence. The drugs that you took did not treat your illness, they are depressents. Whoever was in charge of deciding the course of action for you when you were originally diagnosed with your “illnesses” gave up. They intended to put you on drugs that are desined to depress your system and keep you calm.

If I understand you correctly, you learned first to mask your symptoms, and from there, learned to control them. Elsewhere you describe this as self-applied cognitive-behavioral therapy.

Pretty much all of psychology is quackery of one form or another, but there doesn’t seem to be a better model to use. Meds are quick and easy compared to CBT, and really don’t require any work on either the patient or therapists part - an ‘instant fix’ if you will.

Do you think that some people are unable/unwilling to do as you did? Would CBT be sufficient for everyone, or are you special in that respect?

Thanks for allowing us a glimpse into your world, and I’m praying for your continued wellbeing.

I can understand, especially when it’s a treatment against your will. I absolutely HATE lithium but I hate what I feel off of it more. I just started working with a doctor that combines eastern/western med supplement treatment therapies. Lithium stinks but from what I understand it’s strongest in its class at controlling suicidal tendancies. I think part of what I hate is the tangible proof the medicine bottle represents- I’m bipolar.
You sure went through hell. I hope you’re good now. I used to hide my dysfunctions pretty well and retreat from the world when I couldn’t front well. That ability diminished with time and I could no longer fake it.
Maybe now that you are not in a situation that you have no control over you’ll excercise the control you now have in picking and choosing the doctors,meds,therapies that work for you. You’re the boss now. It’s a journey. For a laugh check out http://bipolarceo.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/bipolar-humor/#comment-2069 and perhaps you’ll find the other topics interesting as well.

I went off my trad RX after a decade of pain and suffering with no therapeutic result. Switched to homeopathy and things are manageable, and because I’m a science nut I don’t know if it’s placebo or what and I no longer care as long as I can work, I’m good. On trad RX I was too flat to work (I’m a published author) or too violent to be a husband-dad. On homeopathy I’m creative and a good partner & Dad, mostly. some times are worse than others. Finances kick my ass routinely and being a highly educated working class earner in Amerika doesn’t lend itself to a “stable mood.”

The NAMI/TAC folk are hard to deal with. They mean well, but from where I sit, that’s simply not good enough…esp. when trying to make me an enemy of the state in the process. sheesh.

OT: Found this site while researching the “competition” — my bros keep insisting I put up a BP blog and “shae” my experiences so others don’t only get what they hear about Britney Spears or whomever-is-target-du-jour. I’m still trying to figure out how to do this project. I have an extremely low-tolerance for bullshit (I loved your comment policy). Neither here nor there. I’ll figure it out eventually… I guess.

@ zallman

the people that put me on meds were biological psychiatrists who flat out lied to me telling me I had a chemical imbalance. I had a look at my own files. There was no test for any *nonspecific* chemical imbalances at all. There was no therapy there at all.

@namegoeshere

First I learned to mask the outward signs of mania, while remaining manic inside. Mania stayed with me, off and on, for another 6 years.

What cured mania was meditation. I applied meditation during yoga, tai chi and sitting practices. It took a bit of time but eventually, the storm in my head abated permanently. I have all my creativity and right brained abilities intact with none of the uncontrollable energy that causes incoherence, distractibility, and racing thoughts.

Do you think that some people are unable/unwilling to do as you did? Would CBT be sufficient for everyone, or are you special in that respect?

The short answers are yes, no and no.

@Denise

I do sympathize with how you feel when off lithium, but how you feel when you are off lithium is the real you.

I was suicidal from age 7 to age 25. That was most of my life. At the age of 25 I had the wonderful accident of finding my real self and gained self love and acceptance. Once I had radiant self love, I was never suicidal or severely depressed ever again.

In my early 20s I did just what you said. I lived hand to mouth pay check to paycheck. I never had very much money or health insurance. I had no access to meds or doctors until I was 26.

What I did was live alone in seclusion and safety without the stress of other people. I spent all my spare time practicing yoga and tai chi.

When my mind was strong enough, I took up prolonged meditation. After a few years of this self healing journey I was healed of Bipolar and Schizoaffective.

JustJack said

being a highly educated working class earner in Amerika doesn’t lend itself to a “stable mood.”

that seems to be very true

congratulations for being off meds and staying balanced while living that kind of life

you should blog about it

thanks for sharing too, btw

I don’t know if it’s been confirmed or not, but I read somewhere that the recent shooter was also on withdrawal from psych meds. Several of the other school shooters were also on psych meds.

I can say from personal experience that I believe the warnings on these drugs are not strong enough. There are not only side effects like weight gain, drowsiness and tremor, but disturbing mental side effects such as difficulty thinking, extreme agitation and mania.

I understand why so many people stay on psych meds, because they DO help keep you stable and they dull you so that you do not have the anxiety. I think they have some useful aspects to them, the whole idea of staying on the meds to learn better self care and cognitive and social skills or to improve your life seems like a fair enough exchange for temporary medication. But far too often, the medication is not temporary and the accompanying life skills are not taught or emphasized.

I also have found through talking with other psych patients that once you start on medication, there is often a dependence on them. If you’re not happy, up your meds, if you’re not sleeping, change your meds.

If you’re using medication to treat depression or strange states of mind, where do you stop? Do you stop when the most extreme states go away or do you continuing medicating to “boost” your mood?

Like you, Jane, I was always hesitant about meds. I was stable on Lamictal for the longest time and came off of it about a year ago. It was actually the only med I could take without disastrous side effects, but it turns out it really wasn’t doing much of anything. But on the plus side, I had accomplished a lot- gone back to school, gottena job and convinced myself it was all due to Lamictal. It wasn’t.

I’ve been off my meds for six years now, following my first big break. My recommendation is that others do the same.

thanks for taking the time to write that Oz.

I understand you as I reflect on it. The truth is, while recalling my experience on meds I became destabilized and found some stuff I had not yet dissolved. I fell apart writing about what those drugs to did my body. It took me hours to get past that part of the post.

For much of my late teens and early 20s I relied on pot to do anything. If I was not high enough, the flashbacks would come, the thoughts would get overwhelming, I would dwell incessantly over my lot in life.

I could not function without it. As with your meds, pot relieved the anxiety and obsessing and allowed me to get things done.

Being constantly high every single day is much the same. Always aware of my buzz slipping away, so it was time to smoke more. Get high before going grocery shopping so people don’t piss me off as much. Get high when I was alone because I felt safe enough. Get high for work so I am not bored to tears with the job.

My life was limited I could not hang out with people who did not smoke pot for long because I always needed to smoke more. I got high in my car on break for work to make it though the next few hours. I got high before and after, everything I did.

Eventually, I was able to come down but for a long time I thought I would never be able to come down for fear I would hurt someone or something.

The side effect profile of being super high all the time is interesting.

Fogging gaps in memory.
Short term memory loss. Forgetfulness
(The combination leads to forgetting dates, appointments, work schedule changes, holidays. As well as losing keys, money, legal paperwork.)
Stomach upset and false hunger pangs.
Diminished reflexes and response time, (resulting in work injuries and car accidents)
Lassitude and apathy,
Dependency.
Dry mouth.

but unlike other the meds I was on, there were advantages.

Instead of decreased sexual function I was even more relaxed and sensitive than before.

Free association and creative thinking.

Unlike the psych meds which reduced my thinking abilties,pot literally turned me into a kind of intellect/philosopher, constantly pondering religion and spirituality. Not to mention it gave me interest in doing things like cooking and shopping and made doing anything a little bit more fun.

Since I did not care about myself, my life and what happened to me, it mattered not one iota that it was illegal. In fact moving to California made the whole thing trivial. I was not going to do hard time for having a joint in my purse. It’s not like I was in relationships or being a parent. I had no responsibilities to anyone so it did not matter that I got my drugs from a drug dealer.

I know why people medicate and stay on them since I was one them. It’s just hard for me think about or even talk about psych meds and it gets in my way sometimes, regarding others that do take psych meds.

well congratulations charlesgeorge and thanks for taking the the time to share it here :)

Why do people (*chronically*) cling to diagnoses and meds? Grace Jackson had some interesting answers to this in the interviews with Larry Simon (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/storiesweliveby): Socially, they sometimes need to. No compliance = no pay check, no housing, etc. Psychologically, many people like being “the mentally ill” far better than not knowing who they really are, not having a well-defined ego-identity at all. Sounds crazy, but being “the bipolar”, “the schizophrenic”, “the…” whatever from the DSM IV, provides some sort of identity, a meaning with your life, when you can’t find one anywhere else (while having been traumatized often results in low self-esteem, a “weak ego-structure”). Although it is a pseudo-identity/-meaning. And the drugs are the external manifestation of this pseudo-identity. And then, third, there’s the physical dependency, that all psychotropic drugs cause, sooner or later.

As I see it, the psychological aspect is the strongest of these three. Western culture worships the ego, today more than ever. It’s like Eckhart Tolle says in one of the YouTube-videos of his talks (the “Quite ordinary” one): “Please, let me be special! If I cannot be special and be a great success, at least, let me be special in my misery. Please, let me be more miserable than other people!”

If you go to certain discussion forums, you’ll find people, who use their drug-cocktail, exact dosage included, as signature = identification. If you utter these places, that you’re not on any kind of drugs, you’ll inevitably get the: “Oh, then you can’t be just as sick and suffering, you can’t be just as miserable, as I am! (i.e.: I beat you, I am more than you!)”

As you might guess, the smiley was meant to be a closing bracket… BTW: Does your blog take html tags in the comments?

Hello Marian, yes the blog takes some html, font stuff, hyperlinks too

I should probably just disable smileys.

As for your explanation.

I want to really thank you for taking the time to post your explanation to my question. The fact is, my personal speculation was exactly what you mentioned.

For reasons having to do with appearances, I could not bring myself to state the obvious after my long rant because there is no way shape or form I could have presented the information like you did.

No matter what I said, it would come across as judgmental, condescending, holier than thou, take your pick.

What you are describing makes perfect sense.

What people are doing when they identify themselves as “Oh Hi My name is *insertname* and I am a *insert Dx* they are forming a false ego.

It is funny when you mention ego strictures because that is exactly what this mentality is.

In meditation lingo this is considered a meditation *sin*. It is called simply, misidentification of self.

The reason people identify themselves as the things they do, the things they own, the things they buy or like, or simply identifying themselves with a label out of a book all stems from not knowing, not truly knowing unambiguously from the center of your being, who and what you really are.

I was aware of these support forums where people identify themselves by labels and put their Rxs in their profile signatures.

Over a year and half ago, before my youtube vids and long before this blog I wanted to find out what people thought about bipolar and how people were handling it.

I typed in Bipolar Disorder support and well you know what happens next.

The top 3 or 4 BiPD support forums and bulletin boards came up and I went and lurked for awhile. You know the boards I mean, usually slathered liberally with pharma ads in the columns. There is much support and love over flowing for the Sisterhood of Suffering Side Effects and the Brotherhood too, Sisterhood sounded better with the other Ss.

I was quite frankly appalled. That is when I remembered to tell myself, over and over again, that most people do not take off from life for 5 years to meditate all day.

It is not only not their fault for thinking that way, it is to be expected! That is how people are naturally. Without a solid core identity, people are always identifying themselves with events and places and people and likes and dislikes etc. Or culture keeps people too busy to find themselves, more so now, I think, then in times past.

Eckart Tolle is spot on the money as far I am concerned. My suffering makes me special is just another ego trap.

Incidentally. in my early zest for spreading the good news about liberation through meditation and yogic lifestyle I made the mistake of leaving my recovery story on one of these boards once.

Very cool reception, a few muted golf claps, much crickets. I learned better and now make videos and blog about it!

Many thanks for posting an answer Marian, it sounded much better coming from you.

Thanks for your kind words, Jane. Sometimes I wonder if I’m too straightforward. I just got this comment on my blog, that I was hurting people. On an entry, that basically doesn’t do much else than lists facts (about NAMI). I try the best I can not to make the same mistake as the “Establishment”, judging, condemning, labelling… Although, the temptation is huge, witnessing all the atrocities that are going on. And I can’t always resist.

I think, it’s all about being honest, not having any hidden agenda, something - and as far as I can see, you’re as honest as can be - and no one can rightfully blame you of being “holier than thou”.

No, actually I wasn’t aware of what would happen, if I googled “bipolar disorder support”. But I could imagine - and, yes, bingo! the bipolar-variants of schizophrenia.com and the like immediately popped up, top of the results.

I don’t know if it’s really taking off from life, meditation. Seems to me, it actually is the very opposite. But it certainly is taking off from the world, and people are conditioned to take part in the world, more so now, yes, than ever before, and at any price. Indeed, often at the price of really being (alive).

Personally, I regard both drug addiction, criminality and “mental illness” as (quite natural/ healthy, though unconscious) reactions to that world’s aggressive and destructive forces.

Hey Jane. Quite a read this thread is. In fact your story has derailed my intentions of seeking medication tomorow. I wished for a fix, or some type of help, and I’ve thought of and read about psyche meds for several years now… and not yet been convinced that they were safe. There’s lots that I can share. Primarily there was the discovery that abstaining from food for several days balanced my moods and gave me abundant energy, for months, but besides not being a permanent fix it doesnt address why I have such problems in the first place. Plus the only time I’ve been able to fast for so long was when I was severely depressed. Cannabis was my mainstay for years, but as I recently turned 28 I decided it was childish and inhibiting, and didnt really help as much as the pleasure recepticles in my brain told me it did. The problem now is that I am very moody and regularly suicidal. And the only times I’ve been able to stop smoking without these problems was with fasting … hopefully self discipline will help. Im afraid of permanent changes in my chemistry with meds. Or my already borderline personality being pushed over the line by the experimentation. But we will see… thanks for the resource and I hope to be able read more of your writing and gain inspiration from it.

Dear Chad,

While I am sure proponents of Big Pharma would not agree but I fully support your decision to refrain from medications.

It really is a dead and as you know it is a highway to drug induced physical and mental issues that you get to voluntarily pay for when you get on med.

These are a class of drugs by far and away more dangerous than most street drugs. Most of the time we don’t hear about people going on or going marijuana consumption and self injuring, committing suicide or homicide.

Most people know when they play with heroin, they are playing with addiction.

What the Big Pharma companies don’t tell you is that their drugs are much more difficult to detox from then heroin.

These should be regulated, controlled substances and instead there is a push to make some of the over the counter.

Big Pharma is not interested in whether or not you have problems Chad, they just want you money.

So you are on the right road in terms of passing the dead end street of pharmies.

I am not going to pretend mental health recovery is easy or fast.

You have already discovered that fasting seems to cause mental *purity*.

There are many such discoveries that await you as you travel the path of recovery.

You are welcome, and I wish you all the best in your healing journey Chad.

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